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In Pennsylvania, juveniles typically transfer to adult court at 18 unless the case started in juvenile court. Double jeopardy prohibits being tried twice for the same offense. Coerced pleas can be challenged, especially if disabilities are involved. Legal counsel specializing in juvenile and criminal law can provide tailored advice.Full Conversation
what law for us, and pa, case law states It’s “(illegal
)”to [charge in limbo, and constructive custody],a juvenile, or adult, for
any crime, and all crimes.
Hi Jim, thanks for your question. To assist you better, could you clarify what you mean by "charge in limbo" and "constructive custody"? Are you referring to specific circumstances under which the charges are applied or a general principle?
Understanding this will help me provide more precise information.
Understanding this will help me provide more precise information.
between juvenile, and adult jurisdiction, The Juvenile was [*] years old, in limbo charged with a crime illegally
of burglary, prior to being [recharged], on [juvenile-allegations] [not brou
ght], had a,[de-novo] trial-on, and-was a [continued-juvenile] for, who [la
cked jurisdiction], in both jurisdictions.
Hi Jim, thanks for the clarification. To better assist you, could you provide more details on the timeline of events? Specifically, was the individual 18 years old at the time of the alleged burglary, or did the crime occur before they turned *?
he was a continued juvenile *, who was denoved, impriosned, and replaced as a juvenile, then closed from the juvenile court and thrust into legal limbo status between two jursidictions of juvenile, and adult, since they lacked jursidiction in juvenile in thefirst placed based on wrongful convcitions, and stolen child. And a denov replacement hearing keeping him a juvenile, andsequestering his guilt or innocenceon pending charges that later came after the burglary charge in limbo, was derived from the juvenile charges pending denovoed, and denovos is a trial for double jeopardy purposes.
Hi Jim,
Thank you for the detailed explanation. It sounds like a complex situation. To provide you with accurate information:
- **In Pennsylvania**, once a juvenile turns *, jurisdiction typically transfers to adult court unless the case started in juvenile court before they turned *.
- **Double Jeopardy**: Being tried twice for the same offense is prohibited under the Fifth Amendment.
Could you clarify if the initial charges were filed before or after turning *?
Thank you for the detailed explanation. It sounds like a complex situation. To provide you with accurate information:
- **In Pennsylvania**, once a juvenile turns *, jurisdiction typically transfers to adult court unless the case started in juvenile court before they turned *.
- **Double Jeopardy**: Being tried twice for the same offense is prohibited under the Fifth Amendment.
Could you clarify if the initial charges were filed before or after turning *?
the juvenile was already a juvenile under indefinite sentence, he was arrested and detained under * without any indestructible rights, then denoved by sequestering guilt at a replacement hearing on pending charges, is a trial, who didnt bring those charges pending, and continued him a juvenile *, with another indefinite sentence.
Hi Jim, thanks for the detailed explanation. You mentioned several key points:
- The juvenile was under an indefinite sentence and turned * while under juvenile jurisdiction.
- He was arrested and detained under Section *.
- Sequestering guilt at a replacement hearing and continued as a juvenile with another indefinite sentence.
To assist you better, could you please specify if the burglary charge was brought before or after he turned *? This will help clarify jurisdiction issues.
- The juvenile was under an indefinite sentence and turned * while under juvenile jurisdiction.
- He was arrested and detained under Section *.
- Sequestering guilt at a replacement hearing and continued as a juvenile with another indefinite sentence.
To assist you better, could you please specify if the burglary charge was brought before or after he turned *? This will help clarify jurisdiction issues.
it was brought after he turned * and was released, and he was forced to plead guilty by the detective, and forced to keep it by public defender in front of the judge, who was the same juvenile judges in the past cases.
Hi Jim,
Thank you for the information. Based on what you've described, here are some key points to consider:
- **Jurisdiction Issue**: In Pennsylvania, once someone turns *, their case typically moves to adult court unless it started in juvenile court.
- **Double Jeopardy**: Being tried twice for the same offense is prohibited under the Fifth Amendment.
- **Coerced Plea**: If someone was forced to plead guilty, this could be grounds for challenging the conviction.
To better assist you, could you confirm if the individual has already sought legal counsel to address the alleged coercion and jurisdictional issues?
Thank you for the information. Based on what you've described, here are some key points to consider:
- **Jurisdiction Issue**: In Pennsylvania, once someone turns *, their case typically moves to adult court unless it started in juvenile court.
- **Double Jeopardy**: Being tried twice for the same offense is prohibited under the Fifth Amendment.
- **Coerced Plea**: If someone was forced to plead guilty, this could be grounds for challenging the conviction.
To better assist you, could you confirm if the individual has already sought legal counsel to address the alleged coercion and jurisdictional issues?
he was not certified, or waived to adult court, but thrown on the the street, and stated he was an adult, but, he cannot be, and he was disabled with adhd and learnig disability
Hi Jim,
Thank you for the detailed information. Here are some key points that might help in your situation:
- **Jurisdiction**: In Pennsylvania, juveniles typically transfer to adult court at * unless the case began in juvenile court.
- **Coerced Plea**: Coerced pleas can be challenged, especially if the individual has disabilities like ADHD and learning disabilities.
To provide further assistance, has legal counsel been sought to challenge the treatment and jurisdictional issues?
Thank you for the detailed information. Here are some key points that might help in your situation:
- **Jurisdiction**: In Pennsylvania, juveniles typically transfer to adult court at * unless the case began in juvenile court.
- **Coerced Plea**: Coerced pleas can be challenged, especially if the individual has disabilities like ADHD and learning disabilities.
To provide further assistance, has legal counsel been sought to challenge the treatment and jurisdictional issues?
Your missing the fact, that he was still in a limbo state being tossed out of juvenile on the street after being continued a juvenile and under sentence for pending charges, then charged while in a state of legal limbo, where the same charges for the juvenile case was being charged after from pending charges, forcing a split case after the burglary stemming from the juvenile allegations pending.
Hi Jim,
Thank you for the detailed information. It seems like a complex situation involving jurisdictional issues and potential coerced pleas. Here are a few key points for your situation in Pennsylvania:
- **Jurisdiction**: Typically, juveniles are transferred to adult court at * unless the case started in juvenile court.
- **Double Jeopardy**: Being tried twice for the same offense is prohibited.
- **Coerced Plea**: If coercion occurred, it might be grounds for challenging the conviction.
Given the complexity, has legal counsel been sought to address these issues, particularly the jurisdictional limbo and coerced plea aspects?
Thank you for the detailed information. It seems like a complex situation involving jurisdictional issues and potential coerced pleas. Here are a few key points for your situation in Pennsylvania:
- **Jurisdiction**: Typically, juveniles are transferred to adult court at * unless the case started in juvenile court.
- **Double Jeopardy**: Being tried twice for the same offense is prohibited.
- **Coerced Plea**: If coercion occurred, it might be grounds for challenging the conviction.
Given the complexity, has legal counsel been sought to address these issues, particularly the jurisdictional limbo and coerced plea aspects?
yes, but they was not allowed. Basically by being in a state of limbo, purgatory, without juvenile mitigating factors applied, he was a continued juvenile 18 years old, where the courts lacked jursidiction,and wrongly convicted and stolen him, therefore being forced to see probation * more times without counsel, and being charged with burglary he did not commit, then to be recharged for the pending allegations in adult is a juvenile charged as an adult without waiver or certification. is a violation of the constitution. nad is double jeopardy. In a state of limbo, and uncertianty, in pa, the law cannot apply if they lack jursidiction/
Hi Jim,
Thank you for the detailed explanation. Here are some key points for your situation in Pennsylvania:
- **Jurisdiction**: Juvenile cases typically transfer to adult court at * unless they started in juvenile court.
- **Double Jeopardy**: Being tried twice for the same offense is prohibited.
- **Coerced Plea**: Coerced pleas can be challenged, especially if disabilities are involved.
To better assist you, has there been any recent court ruling or hearing regarding these jurisdictional and coerced plea issues?
Thank you for the detailed explanation. Here are some key points for your situation in Pennsylvania:
- **Jurisdiction**: Juvenile cases typically transfer to adult court at * unless they started in juvenile court.
- **Double Jeopardy**: Being tried twice for the same offense is prohibited.
- **Coerced Plea**: Coerced pleas can be challenged, especially if disabilities are involved.
To better assist you, has there been any recent court ruling or hearing regarding these jurisdictional and coerced plea issues?
yes, but prevented from using in habeas corpus federal
Hi Jim,
Thank you for sharing this complex situation. Here are a few key points:
- **Jurisdiction**: Jurisdictional issues can be complex, especially if the individual was in a legal limbo state between juvenile and adult court.
- **Double Jeopardy**: Under the Fifth Amendment, being tried twice for the same offense is prohibited.
- **Coerced Plea**: If the plea was coerced, especially involving disabilities, it can be grounds for challenging the conviction.
Since you mentioned that the issues were prevented from being used in a habeas corpus petition in federal court, it may be beneficial to consult with a legal expert who specializes in habeas corpus petitions and juvenile law in Pennsylvania to explore further options.
Would you like more information on finding legal assistance or resources in Pennsylvania?
Thank you for sharing this complex situation. Here are a few key points:
- **Jurisdiction**: Jurisdictional issues can be complex, especially if the individual was in a legal limbo state between juvenile and adult court.
- **Double Jeopardy**: Under the Fifth Amendment, being tried twice for the same offense is prohibited.
- **Coerced Plea**: If the plea was coerced, especially involving disabilities, it can be grounds for challenging the conviction.
Since you mentioned that the issues were prevented from being used in a habeas corpus petition in federal court, it may be beneficial to consult with a legal expert who specializes in habeas corpus petitions and juvenile law in Pennsylvania to explore further options.
Would you like more information on finding legal assistance or resources in Pennsylvania?
yes so, the laws states its illegal explain the cases that support this.
Hi Jim,
Thank you for providing detailed information. To support the claim that it's illegal to charge someone in a legal limbo state between juvenile and adult jurisdiction, here are some pertinent points and case law:
- **Jurisdictional Transfer**: In Pennsylvania, once a juvenile turns *, their case typically moves to adult court unless it started in juvenile court before turning *. The key case here is *Commonwealth v. Bender, * A.2d * (Pa. *)*, which clarifies jurisdictional transfers.
- **Double Jeopardy**: The Fifth Amendment prohibits being tried twice for the same offense. The case of *Benton v. Maryland, * U.S. * (*)* is a landmark decision on double jeopardy.
- **Coerced Plea**: Coerced pleas can be challenged. Relevant cases include *Boykin v. Alabama, * U.S. * (*)*, which established that guilty pleas must be made voluntarily and knowingly.
Would you like more detailed information on specific cases or legal resources in Pennsylvania?
Thank you for providing detailed information. To support the claim that it's illegal to charge someone in a legal limbo state between juvenile and adult jurisdiction, here are some pertinent points and case law:
- **Jurisdictional Transfer**: In Pennsylvania, once a juvenile turns *, their case typically moves to adult court unless it started in juvenile court before turning *. The key case here is *Commonwealth v. Bender, * A.2d * (Pa. *)*, which clarifies jurisdictional transfers.
- **Double Jeopardy**: The Fifth Amendment prohibits being tried twice for the same offense. The case of *Benton v. Maryland, * U.S. * (*)* is a landmark decision on double jeopardy.
- **Coerced Plea**: Coerced pleas can be challenged. Relevant cases include *Boykin v. Alabama, * U.S. * (*)*, which established that guilty pleas must be made voluntarily and knowingly.
Would you like more detailed information on specific cases or legal resources in Pennsylvania?
**Jurisdictional Transfer**: In Pennsylvania, once a juvenile turns *, their case typically moves to adult court unless it started in juvenile court before turning *. The key case here is *Commonwealth v. Bender, * A.2d * (Pa. *)*, which clarifies jurisdictional transfers.
- **Double Jeopardy**: The Fifth Amendment prohibits being tried twice for the same offense. The case of *Benton v. Maryland, * U.S. * (*)* is a landmark decision on double jeopardy. explain to this case here how
Hi Jim,
Here's a brief explanation of the cases you mentioned:
- **Commonwealth v. Bender, * A.2d * (Pa. *)**:
- This case clarifies that in Pennsylvania, once a juvenile turns *, their case typically moves to adult court unless it started in juvenile court before they turned *.
- **Benton v. Maryland, * U.S. * (*)**:
- This landmark U.S. Supreme Court decision held that the Double Jeopardy Clause of the Fifth Amendment applies to the states through the Fourteenth Amendment. It prohibits being tried twice for the same offense, ensuring that once a person is acquitted or convicted, they cannot be prosecuted again for the same crime.
Would you like more information on how these cases might apply to your situation or additional legal resources in Pennsylvania?
Here's a brief explanation of the cases you mentioned:
- **Commonwealth v. Bender, * A.2d * (Pa. *)**:
- This case clarifies that in Pennsylvania, once a juvenile turns *, their case typically moves to adult court unless it started in juvenile court before they turned *.
- **Benton v. Maryland, * U.S. * (*)**:
- This landmark U.S. Supreme Court decision held that the Double Jeopardy Clause of the Fifth Amendment applies to the states through the Fourteenth Amendment. It prohibits being tried twice for the same offense, ensuring that once a person is acquitted or convicted, they cannot be prosecuted again for the same crime.
Would you like more information on how these cases might apply to your situation or additional legal resources in Pennsylvania?
explain to his case how these apply
Hi Jim,
To explain how these cases apply to your situation:
- **Commonwealth v. Bender, * A.2d * (Pa. *)**:
- This case clarifies that if a juvenile's case begins in juvenile court before they turn *, it should remain in juvenile court. If transferred incorrectly, it might be grounds for challenging jurisdiction, especially in your legal limbo situation.
- **Benton v. Maryland, * U.S. * (*)**:
- This decision ensures that once a verdict is reached (acquittal or conviction), the person cannot be tried again for the same offense. If the burglary charge stems from the same juvenile case, it might be considered double jeopardy.
Would you like more guidance on challenging these issues legally?
To explain how these cases apply to your situation:
- **Commonwealth v. Bender, * A.2d * (Pa. *)**:
- This case clarifies that if a juvenile's case begins in juvenile court before they turn *, it should remain in juvenile court. If transferred incorrectly, it might be grounds for challenging jurisdiction, especially in your legal limbo situation.
- **Benton v. Maryland, * U.S. * (*)**:
- This decision ensures that once a verdict is reached (acquittal or conviction), the person cannot be tried again for the same offense. If the burglary charge stems from the same juvenile case, it might be considered double jeopardy.
Would you like more guidance on challenging these issues legally?
yes but the denovo trial is a trial by law
Hi Jim,
Thank you for the clarification. To further explain:
- **Commonwealth v. Bender, * A.2d * (Pa. *)**:
- If the case began in juvenile court before the individual turned *, it should remain there. If the transfer to adult court was incorrect, it could challenge jurisdiction.
- **Benton v. Maryland, * U.S. * (*)**:
- This case ensures protection against being tried twice for the same offense. If the new charges stem from the same incident, it might be considered double jeopardy.
Would you like guidance on how to proceed with legal action or resources in Pennsylvania?
Thank you for the clarification. To further explain:
- **Commonwealth v. Bender, * A.2d * (Pa. *)**:
- If the case began in juvenile court before the individual turned *, it should remain there. If the transfer to adult court was incorrect, it could challenge jurisdiction.
- **Benton v. Maryland, * U.S. * (*)**:
- This case ensures protection against being tried twice for the same offense. If the new charges stem from the same incident, it might be considered double jeopardy.
Would you like guidance on how to proceed with legal action or resources in Pennsylvania?
yes they stem from the same incident, and split cases into two sentences and charges of the same
Hi Jim,
Thank you for clarifying. Here are key points and how they may apply to your case:
- **Commonwealth v. Bender, * A.2d * (Pa. *)**:
- If the case began in juvenile court before turning *, it should stay there. Incorrect transfer can challenge jurisdiction.
- **Benton v. Maryland, * U.S. * (*)**:
- Prohibits being tried twice for the same offense. If charges stem from the same incident, it could be double jeopardy.
Would you like guidance on how to proceed with legal action or specific legal resources in Pennsylvania?
Thank you for clarifying. Here are key points and how they may apply to your case:
- **Commonwealth v. Bender, * A.2d * (Pa. *)**:
- If the case began in juvenile court before turning *, it should stay there. Incorrect transfer can challenge jurisdiction.
- **Benton v. Maryland, * U.S. * (*)**:
- Prohibits being tried twice for the same offense. If charges stem from the same incident, it could be double jeopardy.
Would you like guidance on how to proceed with legal action or specific legal resources in Pennsylvania?
yes
Hi Jim,
Thank you for your patience. Here are some steps you can consider:
- **Consult a Legal Expert**: Given the complexity, a legal expert specializing in juvenile and criminal law in Pennsylvania can offer tailored advice.
- **Review Legal Aid Resources**: Organizations like the Pennsylvania Legal Aid Network (PLAN) provide support.
Would you like contact details for legal aid organizations in Pennsylvania?
Thank you for your patience. Here are some steps you can consider:
- **Consult a Legal Expert**: Given the complexity, a legal expert specializing in juvenile and criminal law in Pennsylvania can offer tailored advice.
- **Review Legal Aid Resources**: Organizations like the Pennsylvania Legal Aid Network (PLAN) provide support.
Would you like contact details for legal aid organizations in Pennsylvania?
yes
~Pennsylvania Legal Aid Network (PLAN)
**Phone**: (*) *-*
**Address**: * Locust Street, Harrisburg, PA *
**Website**: www.palegalaid.net
**Phone**: (*) *-*
**Address**: * Locust Street, Harrisburg, PA *
**Website**: www.palegalaid.net
~Juvenile Law Center
**Phone**: (*) *-*
**Address**: * JFK Blvd, Suite 1900B, Philadelphia, PA *
**Website**: www.jlc.org
Would you like more information on any specific legal resources or additional assistance?
**Phone**: (*) *-*
**Address**: * JFK Blvd, Suite 1900B, Philadelphia, PA *
**Website**: www.jlc.org
Would you like more information on any specific legal resources or additional assistance?